Wednesday, October 24, 2007

U of W engineering site already chosen?

An interesting story in todays Windsor Star. Following weeks of speculation and anticipation (it was widely anticipated that the location of the University's new Engineering Campus would be made immediately following the Oct 10 provincial elections) the Windsor Star prints this...

Engineering centre site to be chosen in 6 weeks

Monica Wolfson
Windsor Star
Wednesday, October 24, 2007

University of Windsor officials are expected to announce a location for the Centre for Engineering Innovation within the next six weeks. "Your patience won't be tested for too much longer," president Ross Paul said Tuesday at a board of governors meeting. University officials have two key meetings with architects on Oct. 29 and Nov. 12.

An announcement on where the building -- or two buildings -- will be constructed should follow those consultations. "We have huge pressures to get this done," said Paul, who declined to be more specific about a timeline for an announcement.

It's unlikely the university will build a tower because Paul said they're more expensive. "A low facility takes up more room, but it's cheaper to build," Paul said. The building will contain classrooms, research areas and manufacturing courtyards, which Paul said can be "warehouse"-like wings. The $110-million project can be one large facility or two smaller buildings integrating teaching, research and manufacturing courtyards at each location. Paul said university officials need a "clearer concept" of the facility to attract partners and launch fundraising efforts.

$20 MILLION NEEDED

The university needs $20 million in additional funding to pay for the project, because it has been promised $40 million from the province and has issued $50 million in debentures. Board member Matthew Moroun, who is vice-chairman of Centra Inc., asked if the construction contractor would be signing a guaranteed price contract and who would be in charge of change orders. "The project will stay within budget," Paul said, after making a presentation about how teams of school administrators would manage the project. The board would ultimately approve large expenditures, but the project will be managed day-to-day by a steering committee of board members, senior university executives and a yet-to-be-hired program manager. "Change orders will go through the steering committee," said Neil Gold, provost, who will head up the steering committee. "(Engineering Dean) Graham Reader and the executive group will deal with those issues as they arise." Paul said the university has a reputation for building projects within budget. The new medical school was originally supposed to cost $20 million, but had a price tag of $24 million when the shovels went into the ground last spring. Paul said the additional costs aren't part of the medical school. The money will go to add a third floor onto the medical building for research space.

© The Windsor Star 2007


Reading between the lines of this article clearly points the reader to believe that University of Windsor president Ross Paul has already made up his mind to move out to the suburbs with the new campus. He appears to be doing a little pre-emptive justifying by saying vague statements like "It's unlikely the university will build a tower", and "A low facility takes up more room, but it's cheaper to build"

The province needs to put stipulations on their $40 million grant, in the spirit of their belief in "Smart Growth", and force the University to build downtown. This is taxpayer money they're doling out, and while I believe that spending on education is clearly one of the best uses for our money, I don't believe that it should be spent encouraging suburban sprawl.

This choice seems to be tilted towards accomodating the Universty's out-of-pocket expenses, not taking into consideration the costs being downloaded onto the municipality to take care of infrastructure costs. Total cost economics must come into play when discussing huge expenditures of public money. This is not even taking into consideration the incredible life-line a downtown campus would provide to our floundering core.

I believe a letter to Sandra and Dwight is in order...

14 comments:

Adriano Ciotoli said...

Our city will continue to flounder if the major institutions located here are not willing to take the initiative and properly invest in this city.

They need to look ahead and see that a downtown campus, while it may possibly cost more upfront, could have and huge and significant impact in the future. A thriving city will do more to promote the university than just new buildings. People these days want the entire package.

Could the university not add retail on most/half of the main level and bring in a major tenant to help offset costs? I am sure most companies would be more than interested to be located where there is major traffic from a key demographic. While I am an ardent supporter of locally owned and operated businesses (keeping the money in Windsor), I believe if you target a chain such as Borders, Indigo, etc. it could be the spark to attract more investment, including from locals. A Borders or Indigo would be the type of businesses that the students would really have a use for.

The meeting of Windsor’s prominent businessmen was a good first step, however, I hope they realize it will take initiative from them to help improve things. No one from the outside will be willing to invest in our core (and entire city for that matter) if they see the people living here are not willing to do the same. It is time for Windsor’s major players to truly stand up and become leaders.

WE Speak said...

Key point in the article is that the University still needs to raise $20 million dollars. The city now has six weeks to decide if they want to provide it. Maybe then a tower will become "affordable".

Anonymous said...

Hear that local politicians and philanthropists?

Put your money where your mouths are and GET US A DOWNTOWN UNIVERSITY CAMPUS!!!!!!!

We deserve no less!

Anonymous said...

.."Paul said can be "warehouse"-like wings." Sounds like UofW is going'Bigbox' Perhaps they're planning to go to the race track with the other Cocobigbox. That must be it! Genius!

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Lear plant next to the Arena ????

Anonymous said...

I hear Tecumseh has some recently available land near Manning Road! Maybe they can get the racetracks slots there and an AHL team, too!

Anonymous said...

Are there any out there that, in the spirit of this blog, can suggest where the UofW should locate their facility? It's easy to say 'Downtown' and maybe the Urban village area, but where else?

Chris Holt said...

How's this for an idea...

Let's assume that the U decides downtown is not the place for the entire complex. I would hope that they would put one of the two parts of the complex downtown. But, that is not the point of this exercise, is it Sporto...

I would suggest the vacant lands to the east of Walker Road, bisected by Richmond with St. Luke to the East and Edna to the north.

see this map...
http://scaledownwindsor.googlepages.com/UofWspace.jpg

Imagine what a development of this scale would do for both Old Walkerville and Drouillard Road! Drouillard, in my humble opinion, is poised to be the next SoHo if some developers with vision and deep pockets took the reigns, and this would be the impetus for that kind of interest. Talk about an incredibly walkable community to soak up the students and the cultural creatives this city has to offer!

This land is already vacant and serviced by Transit Windsor, and is seeing the city spend millions in road upgrades in the immediate vicinity. Walkerville is a destination for academics and intellectuals already and would see a boom in their real estate market.

It is also well positioned if our other dreams of an LRT system is developed with the current Walkerville VIA rail station used as a hub!

I could think of no better place, if downtown was deemed unacceptable. Heck - now that I have been thinking more about it, this plan almost outshines a downtown campus!

Chris Holt said...

Since I haven't figured out how to post a link in this comment section (how 'bout some help here, people!) here's the link to the map for the above suggestion...

http://scaledownwindsor.googlepages.com/
UofWspace.jpg

Adriano Ciotoli said...

Could a deal not be worked out between Mr. Docherty and the University and have the engineering building put in place of our “engineered slope”?

Next door to:

Parking garage
Bus depot
Art Gallery
Beatutiful riverfront

This would also keep the other lands available for our dreams of a PEDESTRIAN ONLY urban village. Or is that parcel of land too small?

I'll keep thinking and try to come up with other locations. Hard to do so when you know it is exactly what the downtown needs.

Adriano Ciotoli said...

So I thought about it some more and this is what I have come up with.

1)The Grace Hospital site

a. Good use of existing buildings and infrastructure.
b. Minutes walking distance from the main campus.
c. Plenty of parking.
d. Still close to downtown core.
e. Remove eyesore of abandoned building.
f. On bus route.


2) The beautiful “artist” building on the corner of Riverside and Devonshire. There is also a parcel of land adjacent to it that could be used.

a. It would be a great reuse of a beautiful building.
b. Only pitfall with this would be a lack of parking, although maybe underground parking can be placed there as well?
c. Near via rail station if it is used with a future LRT system.

Anonymous said...

The only problem with some of these sites is the fact they're not going to be big enough. The university is saying that the 50 acres of the Urban Village site probably won't be big enough, so the only suggestion that might fit the bill is Holt's

Adriano Ciotoli said...

i figured they would be too small. just thought i would toss out some suggestions though

Anonymous said...

So 50 acres isn't big enough!! I wonder how much of that they figure needs to be parking spaces.